gonzo1355717 Says:

Jul 8, 2008 - This is a good video but quotes cannot convey the meaning of the Koran- this is also illustrated by the video you are responding to.The Koran leaves no doubt that hell will be the abode of the non believers. People of the book attract some positive comments, but Jews are referred to as Apes & Pigs- and Mohammed misunderstood the the Christian Trinity - which he says is idolitory. Those who set up other Gods alongside God will go to hell. The overall message is one of intolerance.

somethingesoteric Says:

Jul 11, 2008 - It is true that quotes can't convey the meaning of the entire book, but as far as intolerance of religion goes, read the quotes at: 0:48; 2:03 and 2:59

sollland Says:

Aug 9, 2008 - Koran is a lie.Its not gods word,but mos regurgitation of the old philosophies mixed with pagan beliefs of the desert arabs.1.2 billion brainwashed morons running loose!!

Necrosyn Says:

Aug 18, 2008 - The quaran is like the bible, full of contradiction. For every positive quote you can take from the quaran you will find many more negative quotes. All religion does is seek to control the human mind and use people as tools.

MaxSafeheaD Says:

Aug 23, 2008 - Quotes, quotes, quotes ... you can quote a large book to mean whaterver you want it to - as evidenced by your (presumably pacifist) self when compared with Bin Laden for example. How do you know god even has a word? Even the Quran is imperfect - as evidenced by my previous point. All religion is potentially dangerous.

somethingesoteric Says:

Aug 24, 2008 - Thank you for consolidating the point I'm making with this video. As you can see, this is a video response to a video which has chosen certain other quotes to make this religion look like an intrinsically evil institution. As you can see in the notes, these quotes were "compiled in the spirit of fairness", because there are many videos out there which take Quranic quotes out of context to the same end as the one I'm responding to.

somethingesoteric Says:

Aug 24, 2008 - The aim was in fact to "quote a large book to mean whaterver you want it to", as you say, because that's exactly what these hatemongers are doing. I just wanted to show the other side of the argument, because no other non-muslim does.

somethingesoteric Says:

Aug 24, 2008 - I agree with you entirely on both your points; however the worst way of controlling people with religion is telling people of one creed that people of another are all evil(see video this is responding to), because this is using religion as a means to incite bigotry, hatred and violence.

MaxSafeheaD Says:

Aug 24, 2008 - ;o)

gcj000gcj Says:

Aug 25, 2008 - Unfortunately these lovely peaceful verses were given early in Muhammad's lifetime (when he had a small following and was relatively weak) and are negated by the more violent and hateful verses later in the Quran. All notable Quranic scholars agree that all later verses negate the earlier verses. You cannot judge a faith on the actions of its followers (be they good or bad). Instead you must examine its scriptures. And the Islamic scriptures are full of hate and violence.

gcj000gcj Says:

Aug 25, 2008 - Take for example that Islamic Jihad (Holy War) is mentioned more times in the Quran than the supposed "Five Pillars". And actually, the "Five Pillars" are covered so vaguely in the Quran that one must refer to several Hadith to acquire a full understanding of the "Pillars". Hadith are also considered divinely inspired (and therefore scripture) by the way. So the hundreds of Hadith describing Muhammad's immorality and wickedness don't help the (incorrect) belief that Islam is peaceful.

gcj000gcj Says:

Aug 25, 2008 - You, somethingesoteric, have a fine goal... but you fall short on execution. But this is no fault of your own... it'd be like trying to defend Nazism by using the example of Shindler. There are of course "good" Muslims who live peaceful and productive lives, but in doing so they contradict their "prophet" who was, himself, a terrorist. "Allah's Apostle said, 'I have been made victorious with terror.'" [Bukhari:V4B52N220]

somethingesoteric Says:

Aug 25, 2008 - You are so fundametally wrong that I don't know where to begin. But I'll try. Firstly, it is clear that you are not a Quranic scholar, or a theologian, because any one of those would know that the Quran is professed to be the divine word of god, spoken directly to Muhammad and written down verbatim straight away. Not done over the period of his life, but once. Also, the violent verses of the Quran occur throughout, as do the peaceful ones; again something you should know

somethingesoteric Says:

Aug 25, 2008 - Your idea of using scriptures to judge a faith instead of the actions of its followers invites the conclusion that all three major religions are evil(read Leviticus, Mark or Deuteronomy). If this is your view, why attack Islam particularly? The meaning of Jihad is "struggle" and is mentioned in the Quran in the context of a holy war few times, arguably none. Hadith are considered secondary to the Quran itself, as they are the words of men as opposed to god.

somethingesoteric Says:

Aug 25, 2008 - I don't know of a single Hadith that descrbes Muhammad's "immorality and wickedness", can you show me one? Surely the Hadiths I have quoted, alongside the hundreds of other peaceful hadiths do not support your (incorrect) view of Islam as intrinsically violent? Do you believe that following Islam causes a good person to go bad? Do you think Abrahamic religions are better? If so, you are sorely mistaken.

somethingesoteric Says:

Aug 25, 2008 - Your analogy is fallacious. It would be half correct if you were to say "it'd be like trying to defend Nazism by taking the nice parts of the Nuremburg rallies and quotibg them out of context" And then only half correct, and still profoundly, ironically flawed, because the sort of blind, blanket hatred against a creed or colour that characterises Nazis is exactly what I'm seeing here on youtube(and somewhat inyour post).

somethingesoteric Says:

Aug 25, 2008 - "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" -Attorney General Ramsey Clerk "Jesus was a terrorist" -The Dead Kennedys"

somethingesoteric Says:

Aug 25, 2008 - Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220: Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand." Abu Huraira added: Allah's Apostle has left the world and now you, people, are bringing out those treasures (i.e. the Prophet did not benefit by them).

gcj000gcj Says:

Aug 26, 2008 - This is a condensed version of what I sent you somethingesoteric. Muhammad received the Quran over a period of 19 years. The Quran is NOT compiled in the order in which it was given. The Quran was not written until after Muhammad's death. And the Quran is THE word of "Allah" and therefore the best way we can judge his religion. Why are you consistently bringing up other religions? Isn't the focus of this video Islam? If you want to bring up other faiths post on my channel.

gcj000gcj Says:

Aug 26, 2008 - Jihad, in the sense of "struggle", is extremely difficult to reconcile with the Quran, which, for example, exempted the disabled and elderly from Jihad (4:95). This would make no sense if the word were being used merely within the context of spiritual struggle. It is also unclear why Muhammad would use graphic language, such as smiting fingers and heads from the hands and necks of unbelievers if he were speaking merely of personal development.

gcj000gcj Says:

Aug 26, 2008 - And again, Hadith are thought to be divinely inspired, so while they are bested by the Quran in importance they are still considered scripture. "I don't know of a single Hadith that descrbes Muhammad's "immorality and wickedness", can you show me one?" Why yes I can =D. Sahih Muslim Book 17. A full reading of the Hadith is actually in this video: /watch?v=2n5NHt8YwpQ "Do you believe that following Islam causes a good person to go bad?" No. Hope that helps.