Added: May 25, 2008
From: ResistTheMachine
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Quotes from "Endgame Vol. 1" Includes quotes from Derrick Jensen and others that are also quoted in his book. "Civilization is not and can never be sustainable" "civilization is not redeemable. This culture will not undergo any sort of voluntary transformation to a sane and sustainable way of living. If we [humanity] do not put a halt to it, civilization will continue to immiserate the vast majority of humans and to degrade the planet until it collapses." "do we want to allow others to keep their cars and computers and lawns and grocery stores even at the expense of life on the planet?"
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mistaspot1 Says:
May 26, 2008 - Yeah, but animals know nothing of philosophy or morality.
brokendave Says:
May 26, 2008 - True, but it is clear that our morals differ. I will defend myself, and anyone else who is oppressed and working to change that. I will not let the enemy "win"... if they "win", then WE ALL lose.
StuffStuffAnon Says:
May 26, 2008 - What happends if radical actions are seens as ridiculous and crazy by the masses and end up using our example against us?
ResistTheMachine Says:
May 27, 2008 - So the government can act violently against us to silence us and we can't defend ourselves? I understand peaceful rallies, but those always get shunned away from government. They dont make a a difference. The only way is for everyone to get up simultaneously, organizing ourselves using the internet and taking down this ridiculous system by force. Just how it was implemented on us by force in the first place.
ResistTheMachine Says:
May 27, 2008 - how am I the one that's brainwashed? Have you read this book? This book shares the opinion of a free-thinking individual that was not happy accepting just what they told him was true. He decided to think for himself and figured out "the problem with civilization." All it takes is for any person to start THINKING about where they stand today and why.
ResistTheMachine Says:
May 27, 2008 - Because when the day comes and the shit really hits the fan the MAJORITY of people will agree on this "example" and unite to assist civilization's already imminent crash.
ResistTheMachine Says:
May 27, 2008 - actually, animals do have some sort of morality. Just like a mother taking care of her offspring, its completely natural among social beings. You dont see animals fighting among each other, if only for mating purposes. Humans are not violent creatures. Civilization has driven most of us insane into thinking some irrelevant things pose a threat to us and so we demonstrate irrelevant anger at these irrelevant things. which is completely irrelevant. xD
mistaspot1 Says:
May 27, 2008 - I was talking to idemandmydreams, but I suppose you are no different. Yes, I've read the book. I think Jensen's logic is flawed, through and through. What do you expect from someone known only violence his entire life? It would be nearly impossible for that person to remain pacifistic. And I don't think you've thought about this topic nearly enough. Keep thinking, then you might see what I'm talking about.
mistaspot1 Says:
May 27, 2008 - You CAN defend yourself, but that doesn't mean you SHOULD. Not by violence. Aggression is fine, just as long as we're not going out intentionally trying to hurt people. You don't know your enemy. You haven't come to terms with the fact that you're up against civilization. You don't defeat something like that with violence. That's been tried time and time again. Violence is what civilization does, and does well. It's got to be a mental battle. An info war.
ResistTheMachine Says:
May 27, 2008 - I can see where you're coming from, i used to think the same way. Jensen explains that we were all brought up i violence, living in civilization inherits a lot of violence. If you do something "wrong" within the system you get punished or killed, obviously involving violence. The entire system is made possible by the use of violence and force.
ResistTheMachine Says:
May 27, 2008 - ok, thats good, info war. I agree we have to inform everybody, let them know the way out. But the problem is DIRECT ACTION, how would people exit the system? The people who own us wont just stand back and watch all of us "walk away". They will do w/e it takes to scare the people back in the system, through the use of violence. We should be ready to physically take down the people who have the world enslaved.
mistaspot1 Says:
May 27, 2008 - So it seems like we should be against violence, no? Not civilization?
ResistTheMachine Says:
May 27, 2008 - no, i believe we should use violence as it has been engraved in our minds since birth in this system. We should use it to take direct action against the big guns protecting civilization.
mistaspot1 Says:
May 27, 2008 - That doesn't make sense, and I don't think you're sincere.
ResistTheMachine Says:
May 27, 2008 - how does it not make sense? and im sorry you dont find me credible, most people dont... ...but thats the problem. most people dont like to talk or hear others talk about the "truth", so we get scoffed and shunned. When the day comes, however, you may, JUST MAYBE, think: "Damn those fools were right all along..." but by then, it'll be too late. for me, and you. I'm just trying to prevent all this "orwellian nightmare" to come true.
necropulseband Says:
Jun 1, 2008 - Im thinking about buying this book looks really good
buddhuchile Says:
Jul 6, 2008 - My personal plan of action is based on the idea of cancer. Cancer uses the very cells of the body but mutates into another form and spreads throughout the body until it incapacitates the integral functions of the system.
pennilesscripple Says:
Jul 27, 2008 - there are some books where you want to dogear every page
ResistTheMachine Says:
Jul 27, 2008 - lol very true
Number3Pencils Says:
Sep 3, 2008 - I believe you're the recipient of the brainwashing here. Those in charge use their power against us, and so we're fully justified using power against their hierarchy. You're a willing demonstration of Jensen's premise 4, which is that violence in the hierarchy is only allowed to flow downward, under penalty of even greater violence to the lower-downs who attack the people higher up. Those low on the hierarchy are (for lack of a better word) brainwashed into accepting this unconditionally.
mistaspot1 Says:
Sep 3, 2008 - Naw. Violence is the reason that hierarchies exist in the first place. I don't think that hierarchies should exist. If you're fine with hierarchies existing, then you will support violence in response to violence. If not, then you will not. The enemy is violence/hierarchies, not those on top of THIS PARTICULAR hierarchy. Get some perspective.
Number3Pencils Says:
Sep 3, 2008 - Violence does indeed result in hierarchies. And they should not exist. But not all violence results in hierarchies. In fact, it's only the violence coming from above in the power structure that results in the hierarchy being perpetuated. Violence from the bottom up does the exact opposite. I don't have the book at hand, but there's a chapter in there that you must have read that separates violence into different categories. That negates the "all violence is bad" idea.
mistaspot1 Says:
Sep 3, 2008 - The book is sitting on my dresser. Let me know if you figure out what chapter it is.
Number3Pencils Says:
Sep 4, 2008 - Appropriately enough it's called "Violence", and it starts on page 397. There are a couple categories of violence in there that pacifists are guilty of: violence by omission and violence by silence.
brokendave Says:
May 26, 2008 - Let me put it this way... When animals that travel in packs or herds have an infant that is in danger, that pack will defend the infant if it is within their ability. Killing the attacking animal doesn't even cross their mind, but if the attacker doesn't cease, they will do just that.